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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: favorite version of (GD) NFA

this version rocks my boat...
only The Stones (early on) and Buddy Holly did it better, to my ears...

Not Fade Away

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA



my bad I meant 1993 @ chapel hill

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

thanks hippie64, I'll check yours out too.

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 28, 2009 3:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

12-05-71 NFA> China Cat Tease> GDTRFB> NFA

Tried and true. Gets the blood flowing. Just a personal fav.

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Poster: kschneid Date: Aug 28, 2009 10:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

Random and various:

Rush

Dylan

TP'n the HBs

Patti Smith

Tanya Tucker

Black Oak Arkansas

Dylan & Phil

Last, but not least, The Crickets

OK, one more. The Crickets & Levon

Wait, wait, wait. Simon & Garfunkel?

Yeah, can't end there. Elvis...the living

Y'all are gonna have to track down the Taylor Hicks & Barry Manilow thing yourselves...

Ah, right, wouldn't be a true YouTube tour without a uke

Hold it, hold it. Steve Hillage? Yeah, let's end there...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

Hey all--this isn't what CPW asked, but his comment got me thinking it would be okay to mention it (ie, about other artists...).

This is the one DEAD song that others frequently have told me..."WTF? that sucks!" and I have never really understood why. Now, truth be told, of course, it is a bit past my "era", but during the day I was attending I did listen to it many times and thought they did a good job. But, this is NOT what others (ie, non DEAD sorts) think.

At least in my experience. I think it is the one song that is most commented on in this respect.

Any ideas why?

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

I used to like the way the Dead played NFA - in '70, '71, like on Skull and Roses, and the version they did on New Years Eve '78 with John Cipollina, watching that on TV that nite was a treat...
but soon after that I got hold of an old Brunswick single by the Crickets, as well as an old 45 by The Stones doing NFA...

and then I heard the essence of the song, stripped down to it's bare bones...
no frills, no drum solos, no extented solos, no medly...

just pure rock and roll, in Bo Diddley beat with a rockabilly snarl.

And I found out what CAN be done in 3 minutes...
brevity is sometimes the art of rock.


But, I'm glad whirlwind dreamer, like me, likes primitive swirling Grateful Dead at their punky funky '66 best...

To be sure they got so much more sophisticated and adept with their sound...

so I'd never say they were at their peak in '66 - that's not even funny.

But I do have a taste for that raw rough unpolished wham bam slam bang roots of the evolved Grateful Dead we've come to accept as the real deal.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

that's ok - i prefer well alright by buddy over blind faith.

Rave on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Y9gb3NUGkk

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

tru dat. though it pains a bit to say it.

but, the best cover of a Holly tune, IMHO is Humble Pie doing Heartbeat.

that one is amazing.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 6:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

yep, that's what I think it is...

another related example (Stones) is the song Tumbling Dice. I really like Ronstadt, but when you hear Mick do that, his voice just fits perfectly, and hers doesn't work as well.

another would be Jolene...Dolly is fantastic, but I like Jack White a bit better.

these latter songs are examples of what I was getting at in which the "singing" is the key, and it can really depend on who you like, etc., as to who you think does it best.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 28, 2009 4:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

" Any ideas why? "

If they're listening to an 80's and beyond version I could see why. I find Dark Star and out there stuff to turn people off the most.

Anyone who can't see the brilliance of the way they played NFA>GDTRFB circa 71 needs to pull their head outta their arse.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 28, 2009 4:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

I always thought so...but, again, that would be the era I usu added to a "mix tape/CD" that I would provide to these miscreants. Often it would be from S&R, or some other 71 era show...

Now, I would say, "listen to the drumming!" or the "jamming!" and I think it might be they were more impressed with it be a "singing" song (if you follow) rather than a "jamming" song (thus, they would refer to Stones or Holly versions, in which I admit the singing is better...can I do that?).

But my view was the DEAD did so much more with it that it should have been elevated above those 3 min versions the folks would focus on...to be honest, some of these folks do "like" what else I would provide them with, so it isn't just that they are uniformly "ain't DEAD" or some such.

Hard to say...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

to me this tune is one of THE quintessential examples of what the band could do. The way they weave in and out of each other is nothing short of brilliance. Now mind you I'm mostly referring to 71 era. Once they dropped the GDTRFB combo I lose interest in the song ESPECIALLY those lame 80's versions. Sorry. Also, I NEVER did that damn clapping crap either, I detested it.

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 30, 2009 4:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Beg your indulgence...

I agree on the clapping too, but like the 80s except for the predictable pairing.

The Dead's version seemed more cosmic than others I'd heard before but maybe it was just a later mood.

But not really, it's more like seeing that some silly love songs are not about people per se, like George Harrison's "Fish on the Sand." Or they may be about both a lover and God as in some gospel or soul songs.

But I never got that connection from a rock band except for the GD, esp when the spirit moved them. O - bold as X. (Pick your bridge or airport it seems.)

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

cpw my favorite nfa is this one with steve winwood sittin in on key's> at the fillmore east > http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-11-16.sbd.winters.17361.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

whirlwind, that's a great photo of the Fillmore East, I'd never seen it before - really puts it into perspective, with the streets of NYC ambience!

OK, I'm about to check out your favorite NFA.

Feel free to play the other ones near my fave NFA - CPW, Hey Lil One. etc.

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Poster: buscameby Date: Aug 28, 2009 9:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

I know there are some killer jazzy ones from 70 or 71 that I would probably like better to listen or space to.

But 6-14-84 the night of the first Mr Fantasy at the Rocks is my most memorable. A majical night with seats in the 2nd row with my brother who saw his first show the night before at the "Hail the size of beach balls" show. He stayed up trippin all night and went and staked.
I worked all day and walked in at 7;15 and there he was waiting with the biggest sh*t eatin grin when he saw me.
He handed me honey oiled dobb and away we went.

As the crowed basked in the glory of that majic we sang "LOVE IS REAL NOT FADE AWAY" the cops lined the stage in riot gear. THEY ACTUALLY THOUGHT PEOPLE SINGING LOVE IS REAL, were going to attack the band or the stage.

How f*cked up is our thinking? Humans need to get a CLUE.

So for those of you who get IT, take a listen and maybe someone will get the joke*S*

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1984-06-14.nakcm304-mikeg-suraci.suraci.78371.flac16

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA



or 1971-12-14 Ann Arbor

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Aug 28, 2009 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

The one from Austin Texas on 11/15/71 is my favorite. It really has no equal in that no other version I have heard of NFA has a magical jam quite like this one. You forget you were even listening to NFA.. Once the China Cat jam starts everything becomes very special here. No other one sounds quite like it: NFA>Jam>GDTRFB>NFA

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-11-15.sbd.set2.jupille.7735.shnf

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Poster: stratocaster Date: Aug 30, 2009 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

71 is the year for the NFA>GDTRFB>NFA suites...I find myself coming back to 11-07-1971 for the best version of this one, but this 11-15-1971 is something else...I had never known of this show pre-archive...there is some Dark Star-esque jamming in there...awesome...great call

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 30, 2009 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

Was just listening to this...along with comparisons to 8-6. After our discussions earlier about going into M&MU out of DS/OO and such...these two nights of Aug & Nov 71 are frickin amazing.

Garcia is doing so much on his leads during Truckin, eg, that I could almost select that as a song to highlight his prowess though it never in a million yrs would have occurred to me to pick such a (IMHO) "pedestrian" song of theirs for such purposes...

Again, I find his tone to be so rich and full, something I find a little less of in 72/73 that you folks are always splaining to me about.

I will be listening to Veneta this afternoon in its entirety to see what I've been missing the past 3 yrs...

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Aug 28, 2009 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

I'm w/ JOTS and what Sky Dawg said. The Bus project 1971 part 9 is seeding 11-15-71.

Thanks Dan. I enjoyed reading your comments about Jer's youtube scuba gig out there.

NFA > GDTRFB 101 for idiots: 3 words - Chuck Berry dreamteam - oops, on steroids. If you don't like it GD-style circa 1971, you don't like rock 'n roll "music".

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Poster: yesss! Date: Aug 29, 2009 11:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

yeah, i love this one too. all of the late 71 versions are just awesome. some of my favorite gd music ever. most joyous stuff.

this one's real good too - http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11-07.prefm.kaplan.9570.sbeok.shnf jerry just explodes into the second instrumental break and there are lots of little magical zones throughout the whole journey. dig it.

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Poster: angular Date: Aug 28, 2009 3:43pm
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I have to re-apply to my post for 12-05-71. WOWZERS Sky Dawg! That IS a smokin' version. Thanks for the tip.

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Aug 29, 2009 12:59am
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Yeah, at about three and a half minutes into Not Fade Away we begin to enter into the "magic kingdom" of Grateful Dead jams where things begin to take their own course. By the time the band begins GDTRFB you can hear a "where are we and how did we get here?" moment before they settle into the rest of the sequence. Classic stuff! Moments like these are why I am a Deadhead. This 11/15/71 NFA>Jam>GDTRFB>NFA segue is on my list of "greatest jam moments" of the whole thirty year ride. Thanks for taking the time to listen to this rec! And thanks to Monte too for kind words!

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 28, 2009 3:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

hate to say it but barton hall 77.

For middle years dead Alpine valley 89 off Downhill from here has a monster NFA

And for novelty sake checkout
http://www.archive.org/details/gd95-02-26.aud.5495.sbeok.shnf

it's 1995 and a horrible show. The NFA would not be considered great by any means but for this time period it's strong because the band takes some chances with it. It's unusual and not because garcia is out of it but because they seem to be reaching for something extra on this version.

How the hell did I forget 12-31-90? Very jazzy and out there

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 28, 2009 10:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

I can see why CPW likes that '66 NFA - though it sounds to me like a copy of the Stones' version. I prefer when they started doing their own jammed-up version.

NFA didn't take long to become a monster jam-song in the Dead's shows....2-14-70 is a mind-blower. Lots of great versions from early '70 - for instance 5/1, 5/6, 5/7, 6/24 - and then of course, the three Fillmore East NFAs from September are essential, to hear how different it could be three nights in a row.

After Oct '70, when they introduce GDTRFB, Not Fade Away gets drastically reduced, so I don't have strong faves after that until Keith joins....then in fall '71 we start getting some monster NFAs again.

I agree with the others that 11-15-71 is the King NFA of '71....BUT! also a contender is 10-31-71 (a Dick's Pick), which is awesome - Jerry's playing is divine.

NFA gets more 'standardized' in '72 - sometimes they stretch it out, sometimes it just gets the standard solos. One key version is 7-16-72 with lots of extra jamming. (I recall 9-3-72 also having an unusually long NFA.)

BUT! Perhaps the best NFA of '72 is from 11-24-72, a show nobody ever mentions - but if you haven't checked out this NFA, now's the time:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-11-24.sbd.gardner.5288.sbeok.shnf

For some reason NFA became rather rare in '73, done only a few times that year...of course the summer shows with the Allmans are the highlights.
Later in the year (9/8/73, 12/1/73) we start getting the more mellow, lengthy NFAs that would show up in '74...some distinctive versions include 6/30/74 (hot!), and 9/10/74 (amazing - gets the "11/15/71 award" for '74, was on a Dick's Pick).

'76, fittingly enough, sees NFA return in a sweet, laid-back guise - lots of rather hypnotic NFAs from this year.
'77 has some famous versions - they've beefed it up, emphasize the groove more, and Jerry gets hairier with his solos - for instance I like the one from Cornell. Some of the big '77 NFAs, though, seem to grind on & on without getting anyplace in particular...

Anyway, I don't have time to go on, but I hope this had enough recommendations to start with....

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Aug 29, 2009 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

LiA, do you have one of your lists handy of what versions of NFA>GDTRFB>NFA contain the China Cat jam? I know about a few of them, but a list would be nice. There were a few in the fall of '71, and I always love to hear how they worked that little jam in.

One more rec I have to mention though is the NFA>GDTRFB coming out of the "motorcycle space" on 6/4/78. They do a monster "Nobody's Fault" jam during NFA I have never heard associated with the song again.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1978-06-04.sbd.cantor.miller.94407.sbeok.flac16

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Aug 29, 2009 3:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: favorite version of (GD) NFA

Why, yes I do....

These are the 1971 Not Fade Aways with China Cat jams in them (I've probably missed a couple) -

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-10-27.ashley-bertha.32869.sbeok.flac16
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-11-15.sbd.cotsman.12438.sbeok.shnf
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-11-20.sbd.miller.92908.sbeok.flac16
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-05.prefm.miller.3391.sbeok.shnf
http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-12-10.sbd.yerys.1311.sbeok.shnf
and a later one - http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-04-14.sbd.hurwitt.8828.sbeok.shnf

And, for the insatiable, here are a few jams in 1970 that also have the China Cat riff - a couple of them are NFAs:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-01-03.sbd.ret.19440.sbeok.shnf - in the Alligator jam (briefly, China Cat jam>Bid You Goodnight riff)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1970-03-21.late.aud.lee.pcrp.21779.shnf - in the Not Fade Away (Stephen riff>China Cat jam)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-05-07.aud.weiner-gdADT04.5439.sbefail.shnf - in the Lovelight (a great jam that includes the Stephen riff>Darkness riff>jam>China Cat jam)
http://www.archive.org/details/gd70-06-04.sbd.miller.12135.sbeok.shnf - in the Midnight Hour (briefly)
And the 9-19-70 Not Fade Away, of course....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 29, 2009 4:36pm
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Cool! Thanks! (I love that DS from 9-19 that has it...)

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Aug 29, 2009 7:26am
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I know what you mean by the 77>early 80's NFAs grinding on, but at least they were jamming, and it often created a hypnotic, narcotic, feel . When it got placed in the final post Throwing Stones, end of concert clap along , the jamming gets cuts to a minimum ( yes there are some exception). At first it was kind of novel, going back to the Buddy Holly version . But It very soon outlasted it's welcome . My faves are those late 71 ones mentioned, where both NFA, and GDTRFB are taken for long drives , AND they still have the rootsy, country feel, that gets lost somewhere in the 80's .

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Aug 29, 2009 10:01am
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For my money it's from the Dick's Picks show of 12/29/77

NFA>PLAYIN' IN THE BAND REPRISE.

Absolutely serious hardcore rock and roll....laser focused...listen to Jerry practically spit out the "I tried to show you but you drive me BACK!" line...Jamming is unreal.

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Poster: whirlwind dreamer 65-95 Date: Aug 28, 2009 5:00pm
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i dig that early version cpw and the hey lil one is a mystical swirling treat :) smile smile smile :)

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Aug 28, 2009 3:19pm
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the one on Skull and Roses always holds a place in my heart. It's probably THE song where I first learned who was playing what ( on headphones you can hear Jerry and Bob in different channels ).

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 30, 2009 4:39am
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I like Skull & Roses one the best too.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 30, 2009 6:40am
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I think you are this guy who once told me to watch out ,about bikers . It turned out ,soon afterwards about 30 bikers came cruising by just to get cheered at , and I also have a biker as new friend on deadvids , so YOU watch out ,now ,spacedface !!!

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Poster: spacedface Date: Aug 30, 2009 10:41pm
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It's not my fault you don't know GD lyrics or follow threads well.

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Poster: skies Date: Aug 31, 2009 1:46am
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Fault finding again , spacedface ? You are sure you still have fun when you go to GD'sshows ? Anyway ,I never really understood the words of GD's songs because it's not that easy for foreigners to do , in musical rock ,even if otherwise we can speak english .If I had better understood GD songs maybe I would have love them too much ?

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Aug 28, 2009 2:41pm
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Chapel Hill 1994

GDTRFd > Throwin > NFA e;LSD